| Q&A with Lynne Olson

Q.
Your book centers on three
Americans in London during World War II -- John Gilbert Winant, Edward R. Murrow,
and Averell Harriman. What prompted you to write it and why did you focus on
these men?
A.
I’ve wanted to write a book
about wartime London for years, ever since my husband, Stan Cloud, and I wrote
The Murrow Boys, about Ed Murrow and the correspondents he hired to
create CBS News before and during World War II. Some early scenes in that book
are set in London during the Blitz and Battle of Britain, and I was struck by
what a spectacular city it was during that time. I became interested in writing
something that would evoke the excitement, romance, terror, and sheer
exhilaration of the place.
So, with London as the
backdrop, I set out to tell the behind-the-scenes story of America’s wartime
alliance with Britain, as seen from the point of view of the three men you
mentioned, all of whom played critical roles in forging the alliance and keeping
it alive. Two of them -- Murrow, who was probably the most influential American
journalist of the war, and Averell Harriman, the millionaire businessman who
headed the U.S. Lend-Lease program in London -- are well-known figures today.
Winant, the U.S ambassador to Britain during the war, is, by contrast, almost
totally unknown in America. Yet he was arguably the most significant of the
three.
Q. What made
these men so important?
A.
In very different ways, they
were key participants in America’s debate in 1940 and 1941 over whether Britain,
the last European nation to stand firm against Hitler, should be saved. Murrow
championed the British cause in his broadcasts to the American people, while
Harriman and Winant, who were sent to London by President Roosevelt as his eyes
and ears, made clear they thought Britain would hold out and that America must
do all it could to help the British and their prime minister, Winston
Churchill. If it didn’t, then Britain would fall, and the U.S. would be left
to face Germany alone.
It’s
important to remember that isolationism was very strong in America then and that
Roosevelt and Churchill were highly skeptical and suspicious of each other. The
famous friendship that developed between them later in the war was nowhere on
the horizon at that point. It’s common wisdom now that the success of the
Anglo-American alliance was primarily due to the close collaboration of these
two leaders. Of course, that relationship was vitally important, but just as
important, in my opinion, was the work of others, prominently including Winant,
Harriman, and Murrow, in laying the groundwork for the Anglo-American union and
keeping it alive once it was born. That was not easy to do, to put it mildly.
There were a lot of strains and rivalries between the two countries, as well as
considerable ignorance of each other’s history and military situation.
Q. You write in
the book that the three men’s relationship with Churchill was very close.
A.
That’s true. Churchill knew
how important these Americans were to his country’s survival, and he pursued
them as relentlessly as he would later pursue Roosevelt. He had an open-door
policy where Murrow was concerned, and would often invite him in for drinks at
Downing Street. He made Winant and Harriman part of his inner circle, giving
them unprecedented access not only to himself but to members of his government
as well. He also pulled them into his personal family life. Winant and Harriman
spent many if not most weekends with the Churchills at Chequers, the prime
minister’s country house, and at Ditchley, another country estate that Churchill
frequently visited during the war. In fact, these Americans’ ties with the
Churchills were so strong that all three of them ended up having wartime love
affairs with members of Churchill’s family. Harriman and Murrow both were
involved with the prime minister’s daughter-in-law, Pamela, and Winant fell in
love with Churchill’s daughter Sarah.
Q.
You say that John Gilbert
Winant is virtually unknown in this country today. Why is that, and why should
he be remembered?
A.
Unlike Murrow and Harriman,
Gil Winant was a shy, unassuming man who was never very comfortable in the
spotlight, although he was in public life for more than twenty years -- first as
an idealistic young governor of New Hampshire, then as the first head of
America’s Social Security program, director of the International Labor
Organization in Geneva, and finally U.S. ambassador to Britain during the war.
Although he was highly ambitious, he hated publicity and preferred operating
behind the scenes.
He was
greatly beloved by the British people. During the heaviest raids of the Blitz,
he would walk the streets of London and ask everyone he met what he could do to
help. For many people in Britain, Winant’s warmth and compassion, his
determination to stand with them and share their dangers, was the first tangible
sign that Americans did indeed care about what happened to them and their
country. Throughout the war, he worked to smooth away the many misunderstandings
and stresses that cropped up and to promote cooperation among Britons and
Americans, from ordinary citizens to top military and government leaders. When
Winant left Britain after the war, there was great sadness throughout the
country, and, when he died suddenly a year later, there was a really
extraordinary outpouring of grief.
Q.
These three men are the
central focus of your book, but you tell the stories of many other Americans in
London who played roles, both large and small, in the Anglo-American alliance.
A.
That was one of the most
enjoyable parts of my research -- to find out about lesser-known Americans who
worked hard to keep Britain afloat in the early days of the war and then later,
to keep the U.S.-British alliance together. They ranged from a group of affluent
American expatriates in London who formed a U.S. unit of the Home Guard, aimed
at protecting Britain from a German invasion, to a former New York model who
enlisted in the WAAFs, to a world-famous polo player who helped save D-Day.
Q.
Does the story you tell in
this book have any relevance for today?
A.
Absolutely. It shows the vital
importance of the hard slog of diplomacy, of international teamwork and
cooperation. For decades after the war, this country has tried to impose its
ways of doing things on much of the rest of the world. That hasn’t worked, as
we’ve seen in Iraq and elsewhere, and we’re now realizing the need to build true
partnerships with other nations. As we do that, it would behoove us, I think,
to look back at the success of the U.S.-British alliance -- and the yeoman work
of Winant, Murrow, Gen. Eisenhower and others in holding it together when
nationalism and other forces threatened to tear it apart. There’s a lot we can
learn from these men. |